Sunday, June 18, 2006
Serenity and the Olympic Carrier
(AHH!! Yesterday we moved from our office to our new office. We started at 7:00 am and ended just short of midnight. Didn’t think it would take this long! Anyway, I’m glad it’s over now… too bad our movie plans didn’t work out. Maybe next time.)
(Note that this entry is technically two entries in one, so… well, it’s as long as two entries. You can read the first half, or the second half, or both halves…)
Firefly once again seems to be a popular topic to write about, both here and on David's LJ. Here I write what I think about Firefly and specific episodes, and David writes about why he does or doesn't like episodes, and how he's warming up to the series in general.
So... you might've noticed that I really, really dislike(d) the pilot, Serenity. Why? Well, I guess I'll do an analysis on that. I'll list the good things, the bad things, and everything in between.
First, I'd like to say that I didn't like the episode the first time I saw it, and that is why I don't show that episode first, to new people to the show. The first thing I show to people is either the character episode (8, Out of Gas) or a funny episode (6, Our Mrs Reynolds), since comedy is universally welcoming.
First Impressions
The first episode should layout the framework for the rest of the series, and perhaps it does that. Similarly, the first few minutes of an episode should layout the framework for the rest of the episode. The part before the intro credits really sticks in your mind - it reminds you what the episode is about. That said, if I only watched the first eleven minutes of episode 1, I probably wouldn't've continued watching the series.
Without spoiling much, the first thing you see is a war - people running around, in trenches, with rifles and guns. The second thing you see is a quiet salvage mission - silent, lifeless, in the deep darkness of space. That set the framework for me, and... honestly, that wasn't very interesting. Dog Eat Dog war, and lifeless salvage mission. The little comedic part with Wash lightened the mood a bit, but didn't help that much.
Dog - Eat - Dog
David said that Jayne implied that the world was in a Dog-Eat-Dog state, yet he saw a lot of things in 7/Jaynestown that showed the opposite. So if Jaynestown did a bad job of showing Dog-Eat-Dog, then Serenity does a much better job. Of course, if dog-eat-dog was the setting, and serenity is the pilot, then Serenity should be really good at showing this mentality. And that's bad.
(Although, if Jaynestown would be an indication for David, maybe Serenity shows that the world setting is this dog-eat-dog mentality; then the series proceeds to show you how the crew of Serenity DOES NOT follow this dog-eat-dog thing, and then you fall in love with the crew, and thus, the show)
I’m probably over-using the term, but oh well. War is dog-eat-dog (or group-eat-group), then comes the salvage mission which shows that the crew has to fend for themselves; reavers are dog-eat-dog, literally… Badger’s okay, and Patience is a jerk. Dog-eat-Dog indeed.
Environment that Day
Another factor that made me not like Serenity is... well, it was a new series for me. First 11 minutes were pretty lifeless, and then we had to endure it for another 79 minutes? Ehh... first episode being long, man... I'm not sure that's a good idea.
Character Development and Devoid of Life
This is a mixed bag. I think 8/Out of Gas had good character development, but also, it had a sense of family. All the crew members knew each other, so we could pretend they were a family, and we could feel that they cared for each other.
In the pilot, there were two split sides; the crew, and the new passengers (Book, Simon, River, Lawrence). The crew knew the crew, the passengers didn't know the crew, and the passengers didn't know each other. And technically, you didn't know any of them, so you and the passengers are in the same bunch. This creates a sort of awkward feeling, but then again, all pilots of all shows might do that.
Thus, there wasn't a good sense of family - the connection between the people wasn't strong, and there was a lot of mystery surrounding the new people - so not only was there no sense of famly, there was a lot of paranoia and no trust between the people.
So the character development was... big. Nobody knew Simon, so they really had to develop his character. Ditto with Book. David might like this idea, since he doesn't know Book or Simon very well, so as Mal and the crew learn about them, David will too.
Was this the first episode shot? It felt a bit… well, for one thing, Mal and Inara felt a bit disconnected – they seemed somewhat hostile towards each other in this episode, like they didn’t have a good relationship.
Bushwhacked
I’d just like to mention episode 3, Bushwhacked. It’s odd, because episode 1 and episode 3 feature Reavers, but then I don’t think they appear anywhere else in the series, until the movie, do they? Anyway, I didn’t like episode 3 much either… felt cold and lonely like Serenity…
Last, and maybe least, to why I don’t like Serenity: The ending theme! It’s different, and… how should I say it… more lifeless than the regular ending theme!
My episodes, in order of favourite to least favourite:
01. Our Mrs. Reynolds
02. Jaynestown
03. Objects in Space
04. War Stories
05. Train Job
06. Trash
07. Out of Gas
08. Ariel
09. Safe
10. Shindig
11. The Message
12. Heart of Gold
13. Bushwacked
14. Serenity
Oddly enough, Serenity is still my least favourite episode. For some reason, I like Train Job – it was the first episode I saw after I saw the movie, so maybe it was the renewal into the series that I liked so much about it. I think I also like the variety in the characters. I think I like Niska’s character. Plus, it’s the prerequisite to another of my favourite episodes…
Anyway, even though this post is long now, let’s try increasing the number of comments even more :P
Battlestar: Galactica - Season 01
All this talk about the Firefly pilot got me to watch the first few episodes of Battlestar Galactica, another series that both Ricky and Wen recommended me.
So far I’ve seen 4 episodes, but I’ll try to comment on just the first 2, which would be like commenting on the two pilots, Serenity and… 33?
So, I started watching. Remembering the Firefly pilot and how I disliked it, so for this one I tried to keep a more open mind. If anything was too "something" (negative), I would let it slide and see how it evolves over the next few episodes. So, I kept an open mind.
Anyway, after the first 5 seconds of episode 1, I stopped it and closed Media Player. If anyone other than Ricky (who I told the answer) and Wen can venture a guess as to why I would do that, go ahead. Here's a probably misleading clue: BOBOBO.
Anyway, after a minute, I restarted episode 1 and started watching. In Firefly, they started you off with a scene of war, and then a mysterious salvage mission. In BSG, they start you off with a mysterious state of alert, and then there's a small scene of a confuisng war. Anyway, now I'd like to break away from Firefly - I don't think BSG and Firefly should be compared, because they're very different. Let's see... "24" has crisis after crisis, situation after situation - this show has crisis's and situations, so maybe this show is a bit like "24"... but not too much.
Teaching How to Swim
So, the series starts off with a state of emergency - the crew cannot sleep, because every 33 minutes there's a Cylon attack. We start off nearing the first 33 minute-mark, so the viewer (me) is confused - what happens at 33 minutes? Who are these characters? What are their roles? Where are they? So, without introduction, they throw you into the fray, and you have to solve these mysteries on your own. And that's okay.
From the first 2 episodes, I can identify 14 main characters, in different locales, with different relations. Even though Firefly has about 9, they're all in the same place so it's easier to keep track of them, so first the feeling of family is totally different in this series... why am I still comparing it? I don't know... anyway, the 14 characters are:
The pilot captain; the blonde girl (these two are the ones that shot down the Olympic Carrier); Boomer and her Cylon; Boomer's shipmate; Boomer's lover person; Real boomer's guy partner in the forest; The crazy doctor; the president's 2nd hand person; Madame President; the two captain/commanders; the lieutenant Garrard or something; the girl "with the nice hair"; and the hot cylon figment of imagination.
(In reference to "24", the President in C&C: Red Alert 2 is the Vice President in "24", and the First lady in "Independence Day" is the president in "BSG")
The intro theme is... interesting. The interesting part is the 10 seconds or so, where they show what happens in the episode - so it's like a trailer, or spoiler. I guess there's some reason for it, some cinematic reason, for letting the viewers know what is going to happen, or expect something... reminds me of when you start a level in Prince of Persia - Sands of Time, you can see some of the scenes that will happen in that level.
For example, in Episode 2, there's a scene where the Water reserve tank explodes. So instead of us knowing where the explosions were, and then letting us guess "ooh, will they find it in time?", instead, the intro credits shows that the water reserves explode. So that takes out that suspense... however, we know that 6 explosives are missing, but only 5 were used in the water explosion, so there's still the mystery of the last explosive, and they didn't spoil that... so... that's a weird tactic...
Also (Ricky cleared this up for me), for episodes 2 and 3, the "Previously on BSG" portion shows some clips that... didn't happen in the previous episode. So... that's somewhat odd, but Ricky explained it to me.
Anyway, thus far I haven't really said anything about the show, except that it starts off in a state of emergency and there's a lot of crises and situations.
Hmm... I think I have to reveal the answer to my previous trivia. So, for those people who wanted to venture a guess, scroll down, comment and take the guess before reading on. Otherwise...
Anyway, Ricky says there's a two-hour miniseries before episode 1 which has the background story of what happens in episode 1. So whether or not episode 1 was meant to be a stand-alone episode or not... I don't know. But if they meant for me to be a bit confused in the first episode 1 (who they are, what they're doing, why, etc) then they accomplished that. They've given me a full plate of foreign food, and I have to find my own way of dealing with it.
Story/Setting
Anyway, it seems the story shouldn't be too hard to figure out, at least the basics. They're in space, a whole fleet of ships, including civilian ships, the presidential suite, and the Battlestar Galactica, which houses the battleships and the commanders who take care of the battling.
The bad guys are the Cylons, which are explained at the beginning of Episode 2 - Men created the robots, robots evolved and turned on them, and now they're the bad guys. Some of the robots have evolved enough to look and feel and think like humans.
So anyway, they're in space, and every 33 minutes the bad guys warp to their co-ordinates, they fight for a few minutes, and then they have to escape, so they warp/jump to another sector, and the 33 minutes starts again.
So the series starts off nearing the 238th jump, and a subtitle says that the crew here haven't slept for 130 hours. So most of the crew are tired, can barely function, etc. Everytime they jump, they probably lose some civilians to the Cylons, so they're slowly dwindling down.
Eventually, after the 239th jump, there's a change - they lose a big civilian cruiser, the Olympic Carrier, and when the 240th 33-minute mark came up, nothing happened - enemies didn't appear, and this continued for 45 minutes. Long story short, stuff happens, and that's the end of the episode... heh.
Also, there's another... side story? Happening on a different planet, where a lone warrior is fleeing a bunch of Cylons. Then he meets up with a team member, and then they continue escaping. Like "24", you pretty much always know where the bad guy is, and in this case, you know that one of the guys in space is the bad guy, or a Cylon.
Anyway, so that's the basic story - enemies, in space, low on resources, always in crisis, different ways of dealing with them. On to the characters and locations.
Characters
One of the first real main characters you see is the doctor. You don't know that he's a doctor yet, but he's... a bit crazy. He has hallucinations and reccurring memories of this girl, and he talks to her as if she was beside him, and she talks to him and tells him what to do. You don't know which side he's on, but eventually you think he's a bad guy, possibly a Cylon. You don't know what his deep dark secret is, and you're not sure who the girl is, but I think she's a Cylon too.
This character is interesting. He sounds smart, being a doctor and all, and he's the crazy, talkative type of doctor. He seems brilliant, but is haunted by this girl, which makes for an interesting type of character. He's sitting in the Presidential Suite, so he's important in the story and in the setting, being near the president and all. You're not sure of his role, but you know he's somewhat... important?
Anyway, that's a fun character to follow. The girl is interesting too...
Next character of interest is the pilot captain guy (I use pilot captain as opposed to captain cuz captain sounds like the two commanders, or, the captain's father and the guy who drinks a bit)... anyway, so he is the captain, and at the end of episode one he was ordered to destroy a civilian cruiser (which, supposedly, held 1400 civilians) because it posed a threat. He did it, and now he's dealing with his decision - did he do the right thing, how does he take responsibility - etc. So this is the character that's growing stronger in this series - becoming tougher, trying to put his emotions aside, but he still has emotions and all that.
The president is president. She's female, and she has the task of rejecting or accepting orders (from the military commanders), whilst being the nice caring lady that she wants to be.
Next comes the Cylon, or Boomer, the asian girl, who is a Cylon, but with a lot of human emotions. I think the Cylons did a bad job, because this half-human Cylon is gaining human emotions, so now there's a lot of fighting within, where the human wants to do good and the Cylon wants to be evil. I guess that's okay... rather than just having a spy within the organization, we have a character who's fighting between being evil and being good. That's interesting...
Boomer's character is interesting to watch. I like Boomer, and I like the doctor.
The commanders... well, they have a significant role, and it's pretty clear of what they're doing. Not much else to say...
The side story on the planet, I guess they'll connect eventually...
Conclusion
Overall, I like the show so far. It's very different than Firefly, so I'd rather not say which one I like better, and it's also too early to tell. But, I'd like to point out that I don't think David will get any enjoyment out of Battlestar Galactica. Maybe he will. Not sure why though.
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(AHH!! Yesterday we moved from our office to our new office. We started at 7:00 am and ended just short of midnight. Didn’t think it would take this long! Anyway, I’m glad it’s over now… too bad our movie plans didn’t work out. Maybe next time.) (Note that this entry is technically two entries in one, so… well, it’s as long as two entries. You can read the first half, or the second half, or both halves…) Firefly once again seems to be a popular topic to write about, both here and on David's LJ. Here I write what I think about Firefly and specific episodes, and David writes about why he does or doesn't like episodes, and how he's warming up to the series in general. So... you might've noticed that I really, really dislike(d) the pilot, Serenity. Why? Well, I guess I'll do an analysis on that. I'll list the good things, the bad things, and everything in between. First, I'd like to say that I didn't like the episode the first time I saw it, and that is why I don't show that episode first, to new people to the show. The first thing I show to people is either the character episode (8, Out of Gas) or a funny episode (6, Our Mrs Reynolds), since comedy is universally welcoming. First Impressions The first episode should layout the framework for the rest of the series, and perhaps it does that. Similarly, the first few minutes of an episode should layout the framework for the rest of the episode. The part before the intro credits really sticks in your mind - it reminds you what the episode is about. That said, if I only watched the first eleven minutes of episode 1, I probably wouldn't've continued watching the series. Without spoiling much, the first thing you see is a war - people running around, in trenches, with rifles and guns. The second thing you see is a quiet salvage mission - silent, lifeless, in the deep darkness of space. That set the framework for me, and... honestly, that wasn't very interesting. Dog Eat Dog war, and lifeless salvage mission. The little comedic part with Wash lightened the mood a bit, but didn't help that much. Dog - Eat - Dog David said that Jayne implied that the world was in a Dog-Eat-Dog state, yet he saw a lot of things in 7/Jaynestown that showed the opposite. So if Jaynestown did a bad job of showing Dog-Eat-Dog, then Serenity does a much better job. Of course, if dog-eat-dog was the setting, and serenity is the pilot, then Serenity should be really good at showing this mentality. And that's bad. (Although, if Jaynestown would be an indication for David, maybe Serenity shows that the world setting is this dog-eat-dog mentality; then the series proceeds to show you how the crew of Serenity DOES NOT follow this dog-eat-dog thing, and then you fall in love with the crew, and thus, the show) I’m probably over-using the term, but oh well. War is dog-eat-dog (or group-eat-group), then comes the salvage mission which shows that the crew has to fend for themselves; reavers are dog-eat-dog, literally… Badger’s okay, and Patience is a jerk. Dog-eat-Dog indeed. Environment that Day Another factor that made me not like Serenity is... well, it was a new series for me. First 11 minutes were pretty lifeless, and then we had to endure it for another 79 minutes? Ehh... first episode being long, man... I'm not sure that's a good idea. Character Development and Devoid of Life This is a mixed bag. I think 8/Out of Gas had good character development, but also, it had a sense of family. All the crew members knew each other, so we could pretend they were a family, and we could feel that they cared for each other. In the pilot, there were two split sides; the crew, and the new passengers (Book, Simon, River, Lawrence). The crew knew the crew, the passengers didn't know the crew, and the passengers didn't know each other. And technically, you didn't know any of them, so you and the passengers are in the same bunch. This creates a sort of awkward feeling, but then again, all pilots of all shows might do that. Thus, there wasn't a good sense of family - the connection between the people wasn't strong, and there was a lot of mystery surrounding the new people - so not only was there no sense of famly, there was a lot of paranoia and no trust between the people. So the character development was... big. Nobody knew Simon, so they really had to develop his character. Ditto with Book. David might like this idea, since he doesn't know Book or Simon very well, so as Mal and the crew learn about them, David will too. Was this the first episode shot? It felt a bit… well, for one thing, Mal and Inara felt a bit disconnected – they seemed somewhat hostile towards each other in this episode, like they didn’t have a good relationship. Bushwhacked I’d just like to mention episode 3, Bushwhacked. It’s odd, because episode 1 and episode 3 feature Reavers, but then I don’t think they appear anywhere else in the series, until the movie, do they? Anyway, I didn’t like episode 3 much either… felt cold and lonely like Serenity… Last, and maybe least, to why I don’t like Serenity: The ending theme! It’s different, and… how should I say it… more lifeless than the regular ending theme! My episodes, in order of favourite to least favourite: 01. Our Mrs. Reynolds 02. Jaynestown 03. Objects in Space 04. War Stories 05. Train Job 06. Trash 07. Out of Gas 08. Ariel 09. Safe 10. Shindig 11. The Message 12. Heart of Gold 13. Bushwacked 14. Serenity Oddly enough, Serenity is still my least favourite episode. For some reason, I like Train Job – it was the first episode I saw after I saw the movie, so maybe it was the renewal into the series that I liked so much about it. I think I also like the variety in the characters. I think I like Niska’s character. Plus, it’s the prerequisite to another of my favourite episodes… Anyway, even though this post is long now, let’s try increasing the number of comments even more :P | |
Battlestar: Galactica - Season 01 All this talk about the Firefly pilot got me to watch the first few episodes of Battlestar Galactica, another series that both Ricky and Wen recommended me. So far I’ve seen 4 episodes, but I’ll try to comment on just the first 2, which would be like commenting on the two pilots, Serenity and… 33? So, I started watching. Remembering the Firefly pilot and how I disliked it, so for this one I tried to keep a more open mind. If anything was too "something" (negative), I would let it slide and see how it evolves over the next few episodes. So, I kept an open mind. Anyway, after the first 5 seconds of episode 1, I stopped it and closed Media Player. If anyone other than Ricky (who I told the answer) and Wen can venture a guess as to why I would do that, go ahead. Here's a probably misleading clue: BOBOBO. Anyway, after a minute, I restarted episode 1 and started watching. In Firefly, they started you off with a scene of war, and then a mysterious salvage mission. In BSG, they start you off with a mysterious state of alert, and then there's a small scene of a confuisng war. Anyway, now I'd like to break away from Firefly - I don't think BSG and Firefly should be compared, because they're very different. Let's see... "24" has crisis after crisis, situation after situation - this show has crisis's and situations, so maybe this show is a bit like "24"... but not too much. Teaching How to Swim So, the series starts off with a state of emergency - the crew cannot sleep, because every 33 minutes there's a Cylon attack. We start off nearing the first 33 minute-mark, so the viewer (me) is confused - what happens at 33 minutes? Who are these characters? What are their roles? Where are they? So, without introduction, they throw you into the fray, and you have to solve these mysteries on your own. And that's okay. From the first 2 episodes, I can identify 14 main characters, in different locales, with different relations. Even though Firefly has about 9, they're all in the same place so it's easier to keep track of them, so first the feeling of family is totally different in this series... why am I still comparing it? I don't know... anyway, the 14 characters are: The pilot captain; the blonde girl (these two are the ones that shot down the Olympic Carrier); Boomer and her Cylon; Boomer's shipmate; Boomer's lover person; Real boomer's guy partner in the forest; The crazy doctor; the president's 2nd hand person; Madame President; the two captain/commanders; the lieutenant Garrard or something; the girl "with the nice hair"; and the hot cylon figment of imagination. (In reference to "24", the President in C&C: Red Alert 2 is the Vice President in "24", and the First lady in "Independence Day" is the president in "BSG") The intro theme is... interesting. The interesting part is the 10 seconds or so, where they show what happens in the episode - so it's like a trailer, or spoiler. I guess there's some reason for it, some cinematic reason, for letting the viewers know what is going to happen, or expect something... reminds me of when you start a level in Prince of Persia - Sands of Time, you can see some of the scenes that will happen in that level. For example, in Episode 2, there's a scene where the Water reserve tank explodes. So instead of us knowing where the explosions were, and then letting us guess "ooh, will they find it in time?", instead, the intro credits shows that the water reserves explode. So that takes out that suspense... however, we know that 6 explosives are missing, but only 5 were used in the water explosion, so there's still the mystery of the last explosive, and they didn't spoil that... so... that's a weird tactic... Also (Ricky cleared this up for me), for episodes 2 and 3, the "Previously on BSG" portion shows some clips that... didn't happen in the previous episode. So... that's somewhat odd, but Ricky explained it to me. Anyway, thus far I haven't really said anything about the show, except that it starts off in a state of emergency and there's a lot of crises and situations. Hmm... I think I have to reveal the answer to my previous trivia. So, for those people who wanted to venture a guess, scroll down, comment and take the guess before reading on. Otherwise... Anyway, Ricky says there's a two-hour miniseries before episode 1 which has the background story of what happens in episode 1. So whether or not episode 1 was meant to be a stand-alone episode or not... I don't know. But if they meant for me to be a bit confused in the first episode 1 (who they are, what they're doing, why, etc) then they accomplished that. They've given me a full plate of foreign food, and I have to find my own way of dealing with it. Story/Setting Anyway, it seems the story shouldn't be too hard to figure out, at least the basics. They're in space, a whole fleet of ships, including civilian ships, the presidential suite, and the Battlestar Galactica, which houses the battleships and the commanders who take care of the battling. The bad guys are the Cylons, which are explained at the beginning of Episode 2 - Men created the robots, robots evolved and turned on them, and now they're the bad guys. Some of the robots have evolved enough to look and feel and think like humans. So anyway, they're in space, and every 33 minutes the bad guys warp to their co-ordinates, they fight for a few minutes, and then they have to escape, so they warp/jump to another sector, and the 33 minutes starts again. So the series starts off nearing the 238th jump, and a subtitle says that the crew here haven't slept for 130 hours. So most of the crew are tired, can barely function, etc. Everytime they jump, they probably lose some civilians to the Cylons, so they're slowly dwindling down. Eventually, after the 239th jump, there's a change - they lose a big civilian cruiser, the Olympic Carrier, and when the 240th 33-minute mark came up, nothing happened - enemies didn't appear, and this continued for 45 minutes. Long story short, stuff happens, and that's the end of the episode... heh. Also, there's another... side story? Happening on a different planet, where a lone warrior is fleeing a bunch of Cylons. Then he meets up with a team member, and then they continue escaping. Like "24", you pretty much always know where the bad guy is, and in this case, you know that one of the guys in space is the bad guy, or a Cylon. Anyway, so that's the basic story - enemies, in space, low on resources, always in crisis, different ways of dealing with them. On to the characters and locations. Characters One of the first real main characters you see is the doctor. You don't know that he's a doctor yet, but he's... a bit crazy. He has hallucinations and reccurring memories of this girl, and he talks to her as if she was beside him, and she talks to him and tells him what to do. You don't know which side he's on, but eventually you think he's a bad guy, possibly a Cylon. You don't know what his deep dark secret is, and you're not sure who the girl is, but I think she's a Cylon too. This character is interesting. He sounds smart, being a doctor and all, and he's the crazy, talkative type of doctor. He seems brilliant, but is haunted by this girl, which makes for an interesting type of character. He's sitting in the Presidential Suite, so he's important in the story and in the setting, being near the president and all. You're not sure of his role, but you know he's somewhat... important? Anyway, that's a fun character to follow. The girl is interesting too... Next character of interest is the pilot captain guy (I use pilot captain as opposed to captain cuz captain sounds like the two commanders, or, the captain's father and the guy who drinks a bit)... anyway, so he is the captain, and at the end of episode one he was ordered to destroy a civilian cruiser (which, supposedly, held 1400 civilians) because it posed a threat. He did it, and now he's dealing with his decision - did he do the right thing, how does he take responsibility - etc. So this is the character that's growing stronger in this series - becoming tougher, trying to put his emotions aside, but he still has emotions and all that. The president is president. She's female, and she has the task of rejecting or accepting orders (from the military commanders), whilst being the nice caring lady that she wants to be. Next comes the Cylon, or Boomer, the asian girl, who is a Cylon, but with a lot of human emotions. I think the Cylons did a bad job, because this half-human Cylon is gaining human emotions, so now there's a lot of fighting within, where the human wants to do good and the Cylon wants to be evil. I guess that's okay... rather than just having a spy within the organization, we have a character who's fighting between being evil and being good. That's interesting... Boomer's character is interesting to watch. I like Boomer, and I like the doctor. The commanders... well, they have a significant role, and it's pretty clear of what they're doing. Not much else to say... The side story on the planet, I guess they'll connect eventually... Conclusion Overall, I like the show so far. It's very different than Firefly, so I'd rather not say which one I like better, and it's also too early to tell. But, I'd like to point out that I don't think David will get any enjoyment out of Battlestar Galactica. Maybe he will. Not sure why though. |